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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 10:31:12 GMT -5
Fully spurs. Your intellect offends me, it really does hurt my feelings....
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 18, 2010 15:27:09 GMT -5
love how you cant come up with a way to say why it was so unfair. Ive also noticed PM stoped trying to defend Vince (but he may have gone to work or sleep)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 17:10:57 GMT -5
Pm stopped defending vince because he too knows that you're right spurs. You're always right. You're never wrong. Why defend against you when you're always right and you continue to smash anyone in "quality" debates? There's no point even trying for us. We continue to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 0:08:10 GMT -5
Alright spurs, simply because you CANNOT get over this, I'll show you WHY I did not accept the ridiculous offer you sent me. Now, when I trade, I do not look at rankings as a whole. I look at numbers first, then rankings second. I look at the numbers I want, and discard the numbers I don't really need. Nelson: 14ppg, 5.6apg, 3.5rpg, 1.3spg, 1.6 three's per game Carter: 15ppg, 3.1rpg, 2.8apg, 1.7 three's per game, 1spg West: 16ppg, 6rpg, 50% fg, 82%ft Your craptacular offer. Billups: 14ppg, 4.5apg, 2.2rpg Jefferson: 17ppg, 3.8rpg, 1.7apg, 1.9 threes per game Bel: 12ppg, 2.5rpg, 1.2apg, 1.9 three's per game. Now, billups is having a shit season. Nelson is putting up MUCH better numbers and is younger. No doubt you'll come back to the whole, "but billups will get better" argument and that's where I'll SMASH you over and over when it comes to Vince Carter. Carter will get better, and Jefferson? He'll drop back. Granted, Jeff is playing well and I'd take a guess that he won't likely drop down under 15ppg this season. Thus, sure, right now? Jefferson is the better fantasy player over Carter. However, Jameer Nelson is the better fantasy player than Billups RIGHT NOW and the stats don't lie. What's left? Oh that's right, you expect me now to trade Devid West off for Marco Belinelli. So in your words, I over rank my players" yet you expect me to trade a pg that is averaging 14 and almost 3 for a pg that is averaging 14 and almost 6. You expect me to trade a PF whom averages 16/6 for a SG that averages 12 and under 2 three's per game whilst your offer of Richard Jefferson for Vince Carter is supposed to EVEN the rest up. You're an idiot, you're dyslexic, you're probably even a hick inbred. The REASON I do not debate you is because I couldnt be fucked talking to an idiot. This'll be the last I type of this as my point has been proven based on the above figures. You can mull over %'s all you like, the fact is I don't look at %'s when trading swingmen and pg's as majority of the time, their %'s are average at best. Now, I'll give you the final say. Goodbye ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 19, 2010 2:03:11 GMT -5
so you take selective figures to make your players look better? in this case your places should eb the top ranked players and no trade with you is fair because you can usually make a case for a player being better then another in a certain area.
Well start with your argument about billups and nelson. you already said that billups was equal to West (which i disagreed with). Just looking at stats you could make a point for that. I think most people would disagree and would rather have billups then nelson. yes im gonna say that billups will get better by the end of the season (maybe only around 50 or so but still better). Nelson will miss games and when the trade was being offered he was currently injured and the stats that you are currently using are not what he had at the time. you already stated your responce to this as Wince will get better. Wince is also typically injured during the season and has worse numbers overall for his career. He gets the hype for his name recognition.
next you say that the trade is a pg that is avg 14 and 3 for a pg 14and 6. in your stats you say nelson is 5.6 and billups is 4.5. you can argue that you rounded up nelson to get to six. but how did bilups drop down to 3. maybe you need to learn some math as 5and above round up. your argument is your losing 3 ast a game when your only going down 1.1 as far as the marco he is getting almost 2 3s a game. 6 reb a game is not that great. what is good about west is high fg% and ft %. I would gain in fg% as i dont have anyone to compete with west but you would gain a lot in ft% as billups makes 91% and shoots more then west. Thus he would have a greater impact on your ft%.
You didnt include billups 1.3 3s per game. You mentioned that you dont look at swings % but in order to compare a trade you need to either compare them to west or you need to not mention west. once again i realize i would have gained in fg% but you would have had a bigger impact on ft%. you also didnt compare to but you may not care about them.
I will compare the counting stats now.I realize i gain in several and am still willing to do this because the 3s is a harder stat to get and also the stat you were looking for. pts 46-43.4 reb 12.6-8.5 this is where i gaind the most as it was what i was mostly looking for as well as fg% 3s 3.3-5.1 almost 2 3s.ast 10.4-7.4 steals 3.6-2.8 blks 1-.7 to (which i guess you dont care about but do matter) 6.1- 5.1 overall you would gain in ft% 3s to i would win in fg % ast steals and a slight edge in pts and blocks.
BTW the point your arguing in this is that the whole trade was unfair but you said it became unfair when vince and RJ was added. you already had stated the other trade was good. but you running around like a hen with its head cut off because your trying to argue against yourself and convince your self that your right. grow some and then maybe you can make a better argument.
Im still waiting to hear how vince for RJ is such a horrible trade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 2:07:58 GMT -5
just logged on, and havent even read the above dribble. not interested. like i said, i'll give you the last word. later spurs ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 19, 2010 11:37:05 GMT -5
im sure you took the time to read it. you still know that the trade wasnt unfair and also that you were defending contradicting arguments.
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