Spurs given a time out from the forum

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Just informing people that spurs has been given a time out from the forum for his baiting and continuous behaviour in the weekly threads (explained below)

Now it does not bother me that the guy has an agenda against yours truly, though there's a time and place for everything and yesterday was a prime example to spurs just not following the "system".

I've been trying for awhile now to keep the weekly threads "constructive" and about matchups. Unfortunately spurs seems to be the only one that goes off topic in the weekly area (and it's mostly based around bashing me). Earlier this week, I decided to set up a thread so that it separates the weekly thread and the constant back and forward bickering between him and I. It was designed to get it away from the weekly threads (not the right place) so that the thread would not be spammed up with mindless crap between he and I. Though spurs has continued to ignore that thread and continued to post the same baiting message over and over after I've deleted it a dozen times. I've warned him, and he's continued, and thus spurs has now been given an indefinite timeout from the forums.

He's a valuable manager to this league and I appreciate his input here (even if it's 99% impossible to decipher his terrible english), though the guy has had a minor brain freeze over the last 24 hours and he needs to vent off some steam somewhere else. He's free to bitch and moan over at yahoo (he won't be locked out there), though the simple fact is, the weekly thread is not the place for his or my arguments (unless it's a matchup between he and I which by then it falls under the rivalry code). He must learn to accept this.

[pp]

Personally I didn't have a problem with Spurs.
Perhaps next time we should discuss it as a league?

I did notice that the baiting certainly went both ways Roost, particularly when you created a thread with a pretty clear intention of baiting him further.

In my opinion banning people from the forum is going to be counter productive to the league, especially when we already have issues of team interest and activity.

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That's fine PP, however other people have voiced their concerns in the past in regards to spurs going off topic in the weekly thread. Your opinion on me "baiting" him by setting up a thread is not entirely correct as my motives were to simply get his constant baiting of me out of the weekly thread and into a seperate thread. The guy accused me of saying something through "sarcasm" and I simply challenged him on that when I set up the new thread. Did I bait him? Yes, with the texan "lingo" thing sure, that's baiting. Though, the thread that I set up was DESIGNED for that.

Secondly, you (as well as many others) do not really understand the pure reason as to why he was indeed banned. In the space of 1 and a half hours, spurs continued to post the same message after I had repeatedly told him to post it in the thread for he and I to use for our constant bickering. Spurs ignored the message, and continued to post the same message in the weekly thread and THAT is the reason as to why he was given a time out. Not because he was baiting me, not because he has issues with me, but because he refused to follow the structure that has been placed for the weekly thread. It's as simple as that. It's never going to be up for "votes" between managers, because managers do not run this forum. Managers have their say on the league, not the structure of the forums. You clearly misunderstand the the difference between the forums, and the league. I have not banned him over at the league, he's still entitled to vent over there. If I had, then THAT would be up for a league vote and I could understand why people would want it to be. The forums are used voluntarily. It's not a mad house for people to just do whatever they want because they are a manager and have a small % of interest locked into the league. If you come here and post, you're responsible for your actions.


You were NOT here at the time this was happening (no one was) and thus, you have basically no right as a manager to really discuss this matter,

I have worked hard to try and get this forum structure right as it was a complete mess for a few years, and the constant bickering between spurs and I in weekly threads (mostly started by him) is NOT the direction I see our weekly threads going.

You may believe that banning people on the forums is not the right move, though what you fail to see is not everyone uses the forum either. We still have people who play in the league who don't even use the forums much, if not at all (winit, hawks, pride ect). The forum is a choice and a different tool to use. It's not the LEAGUE, there's a huge difference.

Take your agenda against me and use it constructively somewhere else. You were not here at the time of his indiscretions and thus your opinion is invalid.

I've been fair in this league for a long time now both as a commish and manager. You''ll likely see otherwise as you have issues with the way I voiced for you to be let go from the league in the past. That's your issue, not mine. As commish, it's my responsibility to move the league and anything associated with it into a positive direction. Having two people fighting constantly in a thread other people use is not moving the forum structure in the direction I have planned. It's mindless bullshit that needs to be kept in one designated thread, and that's the goal. Spurs refused to follow that setup and continued to post the same message more than a dozen times after I kept deleting it, and thus, has been given a time out. You can believe it to be the wrong direction all you want, decisions have to be made. Spurs failed to follow the way this forum is set up, and he's been given a time out for it.

I value spurs as a manager in this league. The guy has been a good manager and has provided the league with plenty of activity. I personally havent got an issue with the guy (other than his english and his baiting is boring, so is his personality). He's got the issue with me and it's a real personal issue. That's his issue however, and I cannot change that. The issue with spurs is that he feels the need to attempt to fight with me on a regular basis. As I said in the thread I set up for he and I. I'm happy to debate him, I'm happy to fight him, I like confrontation, always have. Though, the weekly thread is NOT the place to do it.

Take the Force and me for example. Or PM24 and me. Strong rivalry there, even genuine dislike when it comes to force and me as individuals (I can't stand the guy). Though, we're not at each others throats or baiting each other every single day in the weekly thread, and if we were pp? I'd do the very same thing.

As I've said time and time again, the weekly thread is for general talk about the week, how your team is doing, discussion with other managers on the week and your trash talk between managers who are facing off that week. It's not for constant fighting.

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Following up on the spurs situation, his time out has now been lifted.

As I've said plenty of times now, Spurs is free to bait, debate, fight and do whatever he wants to get a reaction from me like usual, though it isnt tolerated in the weekly threads.

[pm24]

Roost, i have to be honest, i don't mind you locking spurs out of the forum for 24 hrs, but i think the thread set up purely for Spur to vent or trash talk was a bit much. If anything, that stuff should just remain in private chat. Given 3 managers need to be replaced I don't want to see us lose another manager who is actually participating well in the league, leave because of a personal problem with the commish.

Just my thoughts, but if you really want to stop the banter so much (in the public forums i agree that it is not appropriate) setting up a thread for it doesn't really help that cause.

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I can respect your opinion pm, however trash talk is apart of the league. I can't, and never would shut up a manager, which is why I set the thread designed specifically for the individual in question and myself to bicker in.

As far as you worrying about losing spurs, if it happened then it happened. People are always replaceable. It's up to me to find the right managers this off season. Spurs has been a valuable participant in this league, though his constant trolling in the weekly threads needs to be contained. As I said, he was never banned for fighting with me, he was banned for posting the same message over and over after he was told not too.

Trash talk is always welcomed here, however when you have one person constantly trolling another in every thread it gets to a point where you need to find one place in order for it to be contained.

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Also note pm, spurs and I have tried private, though as you know from the past, the guy has brought the private discussion straight into the forum in which you yourself also questioned him for.

He is not civil, and is nothing more than a troll. Thus, containment is the only course of action.

Would I want to see him gone from the league? hell no, he's been a great manager. It's his trolling that needs to be contained to one thread. He likes to trash talk me, and he's welcomed to any time he wants in THAT thread, just not weekly.

[pm24]

Fair enough mate, i understand your reasons.

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Don't get me wrong dude, I can understand why pp had issues with it and I could understand why others would, but the bickering needs to be confined to one thread. It's just getting old and it isnt really productive to have a bunch of posts sitting in the weekly thread (or any other thread set up) of just fighting and utter bullshit.

Here's a point of view:

Weekly thread:

Roost: Terrible week, really not happy, at least Ersan has turned up and played.

Spurs: You mean the very same Ersan who is not worth being in the top 75 and only puts up 3/8.

^ Stuff like that is unnecessary in the weekly thread. It creates conflict and then 2 pages of nothing more than bickering and fighting. I've actually ignored spurs quite a lot since returning at commish just so that it wouldnt get out of hand, as I'm quite an out spoken person and will debate/fight for pages on end.

Trash talk is fine, though only if it is used constructively (see bogut posts) and it's absolutely normal for it to occur in a week where two teams are playing each other. However, what I am attempting to limit is the continual trash that starts to effect the weekly thread itself.

Anyway I've repeated myself too much here, people are free to disagree like pp, I probably should take myself out of this thread now and just look at the results of the opinions and work out the best formula. I can see PP's point, but I'm not really one to play russian roulette with a manager and worry about them backlashing and leaving. There's plenty of people out there that play fantasy basketball. We've just been lazy in our searching. This I will attempt to correct next season.

[pp]

I dont have a personal agenda roost, I'm purely suggesting next time it would be better if we discussed it as a league, so everyone can have some input into decisions.

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As I said PP, the forum has nothing to do with how we run the league. It's optional and it's direction is not up for manager vote. The league however is a different story.