MelbFORCE
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Post by MelbFORCE on Aug 1, 2012 0:53:52 GMT -5
I log in here the first time in a few days and I find the commissioner has quit due to a lack of respect from other managers.
Can i just say...even though Roost is a rival to me here he has done a great job building this thing from ground up. Every single major decision that gets made is made with a league vote and always with the league's best interests in mind.
We needed a leader amongst us and Roost was always that, and was always very fair as well. When joining this league the general rules are made abundantly clear. Be active or be one step closer to expulsion. This league is what it is because of great league activity, so for anyone having a cry over being kicked out after having a few strikes against your name, you had chances and were given a fair go to make amends.
No need to name managers, you guys need to just have to accept the consequences...cmon it sucks that the rest of us are active enough to rotate our players every day or at least in advance if we know we will be MIA for a few days. It isn't fair that one manager gets away with a free pass 7-2 win just because the other guy was inactive for that week only.
Secondly, no discussion should EVER be personal. This is fantasy basketball...not the Olympic games or the soccer World Cup. Our personal lives have nothing to do with this game and if you are gonna attack somebody it should be about their team or history with the league and not about THEM as a person. If you are gonna make something personal you should not be in this league. Thats just poor form.
If you have an issue with the league or the commissioner, bring it up in a respectful manner. Everybody will listen. Nobody NEEDS to even thank the commish at the end of each season if they don't want to but theres no need for making it a personal thing if theres something you didn't agree with.
Deep down everybody knows Roost has been pretty fair, he gives people chances to talk, vote and discuss. There has never been a "1 strike and you're out" policy.
You guys gotta meet half way NBA player's assoc vs Owners style. Admit past mistakes, forgive and forget so we can all move forward as a league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 1:23:16 GMT -5
Andrew, thanks mate I really do appreciate that. This is exactly the proof as to why pm and I tried to put a limit on the personal crap that started to rear it's ugly head last season. The above message from someone who I've had plenty of rivalry with in this league is a breath of fresh air. Nothing is ever personal and never has been. Lately however, it has gone down that road and it's really disappointing.
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Reavers
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Post by Reavers on Aug 1, 2012 10:52:11 GMT -5
What a load of crap. Roost you have always been the worst offender of making stuff personal, whether its posting NZP's facebook pictures and making fun of them or the constant racist comments, or not being able to have a remotely civil conversation with spurs to the point where Roost gives him a time out like a two year old. I know Roost doesn't necessarily mean it to be a personal attack but it is what it is. Did I go too far when it looked like Roost was trying to take over the keeper league, probably, and I am sorry if he took it personally. Now Roost is making a dramatic exit because he isn't feeling the love, or as he puts it the great creator has been disrespected. Look if I'm the problem I can go away and Roost can stay. I will run my teams with integrity until a replacement is found if thats what it takes. I'm not saying its him or me or anything like that because I don't have any problem coexisting. Roost either you want to play or you don't but don't leave because somebody hurt your feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 12:24:30 GMT -5
On my iPhone so I'm not going into an in depth review but I have to laugh at above trash. First you try and apologize to me via private, and now you want to go again? Now youre calling it a "it's me or you" thing. And you have the nerve to call me a primma Donna? What a laugh. You've been trying to turn this personal for awhile reavers, it has NEVER been personal on my end. If it were I would never let people back into the league. I'd prove my tyrant/dictator style and keep every single person I have an issue with away.
As for the pride accusation it just proves you know sweet fuck all. Pride and I are very good mates,the only person I speak too away from fantasy basketball. Watching you claw away at something like that not knowing it's tongue and cheek between he and I is very comedic.
The ONLY time I have ever come across as personal is with the force and the Asian comments (which I had used even when he and I were actually talking a lot online. Thus if you need to use that, then go for it. What I am saying is for me, NOTHING has even been personal and I have never ever felt distaste for anyone in this league.....until now that is.
Get your accusations straight you clown.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 12:58:23 GMT -5
And with that being said I'm done. I'm not going to sit here and read a bunch of agenda ridden, bullshit accusations from you, U.A or anyone else. I'm out. Sick and tired of putting effort in here only to get back constant, utterly ridiculous agenda ridden bullshit.
Pm, I'll let you know the final outcome of the keeper league decision in a couple of weeks mate. That way it'll give you enough time to prepare if I decide I won't return.
To anyone else I've been involved with over the years, I wish you guys the very best of luck and have fun in the SL next season.
Take it easy all.
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Reavers
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Post by Reavers on Aug 1, 2012 13:54:29 GMT -5
I'm not saying its him or me or anything like that because I don't have any problem coexisting. Now youre calling it a "it's me or you" thing. Get your accusations straight you clown. Perhaps I'm mistaken on the NZP thing and confusing you with mblock and maybe my perception your constant profanity laced, anger filled posts at the slightest disagreement with your views is completely misplaced, but I have no agenda really aside from trying to improve the league(s) thru better communication with all of the GMs involved. I could care less if you don't like me, I'm here to play fantasy basketball. I hate you so much that I've personally invited you every season to compete in my league because I know you will make sure your teams starting lineup will always be set and constantly look for players to improve your team even if you are out of the playoff race. I love the league that you created and especially the message board which truly makes these two leagues unique. I'm glad that you care about them so much that you feel entitled enough to not be held accountable when you handle something completely wrong despite the fact that you hold others to the same impossible standard. So no I'm not going to beg you to come back or stay despite all of your efforts over the last ten years. This is the second time in the last three years that you've tried to quit and my feelings on it remain the same, if you don't want to be here and play then leave, but don't blame it on the same lack of respect that you give most others in the league and don't stay because you now feel that you have some personal vendetta against me. I apologized based on my perception that you took my comments personally (despite your post to the contrary) because I came at you as hard as you come at a lot of other GMs on this board and I admitted that you pissed me off with your actions on the keeper league. Out of respect for the fact that you created the league I even offered to leave over this and the offer stands.
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pm24
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Post by pm24 on Aug 1, 2012 18:39:12 GMT -5
Ok guys, tone it down.
Take the conversation to the PM's if you want. No need to continue this again. If it continues, i'll be deleting the posts.
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spurs champs
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Post by spurs champs on Aug 1, 2012 21:02:09 GMT -5
I'm not saying its him or me or anything like that because I don't have any problem coexisting. Now youre calling it a "it's me or you" thing. Get your accusations straight you clown. Perhaps I'm mistaken on the NZP thing and confusing you with mblock and maybe my perception your constant profanity laced, anger filled posts at the slightest disagreement with your views is completely misplaced, but I have no agenda really aside from trying to improve the league(s) thru better communication with all of the GMs involved. I could care less if you don't like me, I'm here to play fantasy basketball. I hate you so much that I've personally invited you every season to compete in my league because I know you will make sure your teams starting lineup will always be set and constantly look for players to improve your team even if you are out of the playoff race. I love the league that you created and especially the message board which truly makes these two leagues unique. I'm glad that you care about them so much that you feel entitled enough to not be held accountable when you handle something completely wrong despite the fact that you hold others to the same impossible standard. So no I'm not going to beg you to come back or stay despite all of your efforts over the last ten years. This is the second time in the last three years that you've tried to quit and my feelings on it remain the same, if you don't want to be here and play then leave, but don't blame it on the same lack of respect that you give most others in the league and don't stay because you now feel that you have some personal vendetta against me. I apologized based on my perception that you took my comments personally (despite your post to the contrary) because I came at you as hard as you come at a lot of other GMs on this board and I admitted that you pissed me off with your actions on the keeper league. Out of respect for the fact that you created the league I even offered to leave over this and the offer stands. agree
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ua
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Post by ua on Aug 2, 2012 5:04:15 GMT -5
I don't know why my name keeps getting brought up. I debated with him about keeper league rules and keeper league policy. Period. I do not see how he or anyone else could take my posts to be "personal" or "disrespectful". Nor do I understand why our conversations in the keeper league would translate in his mind into him quitting as the commissioner of the standard league, which apparently he holds me largely responsible for. I never suggested he should quit. In fact I don't remember having any conversations at all concerning the standard league or his running of it in a negative light. When I accepted his invitation to return to the standard league, I was fully aware that he was the commissioner, , if I had a problem with that then I would have declined his invitation. I knew that it was his league and his rules and his way and I accepted that, but for reasons I still do not understand he stopped believing that I supported his rule as Commissioner. I tried to reason with him, but I don't think it is any secret that my opinion carries very little weight with him. Pardon me, but I will not take the blame for his resignation. I do not think anybody else should either. It is his un pressured decision. I had no say in his leaving anymore then I have any say in getting him to return.
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MelbFORCE
2x Champion (2008 & 2012 SL), SL Commissioner
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Post by MelbFORCE on Aug 2, 2012 7:36:41 GMT -5
Nobody is pointing fingers or putting blame on somebody. Its his choice. If he changes his mind he knows there will be a spot waiting for him. He has taken issue to some things and that is for those involved to be sort it out if they want to. I personally don't care who or what, sort it out now while theres still time.
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Post by pp on Aug 3, 2012 20:45:53 GMT -5
So yeah... not quite sure what exactly lead to the last couple days of activity. Looking through posts I dont think I want to know.
I am happy to continue on from last season. However I would not be in a position to step forward and take a bigger role in league. As I am in Ghana for 5 weeks at the start of the season, so I cannot vouch to do anything extra. A similar situation lead to me being kicked out because I offerred more than I could deliver. So I will just continue to do the same as last season.
Personally I am not interested in getting involved in the pride/ego arguments which seem to lead to rash decisions. I am happy to help look for new managers or contribute to league decisions.
Thank you for the time and effort you put in Roost.
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spurs champs
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Post by spurs champs on Aug 3, 2012 21:17:37 GMT -5
The biggest thing i wouldnt want to do is look for new talent as I have to do that for one league already. I think the best thing to do would be set up a d league to help find new managers. not for this year but for future ones. This i how I find them for the other league I run.
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ua
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Post by ua on Aug 4, 2012 0:27:01 GMT -5
So assuming that was the last of roosts dramatic exits, I will assume that he is serious when he says his decisions are final in both leagues. That still leaves us with needing to find a new commissioner. PM and PP are officially out. What about you force? Roost recommended you for the job. I guess we will just keep asking candidates until somebody says yes I don't mean to be insensitive , but we need to get back to business sooner or later.
He would have wanted it that way
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pm24
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Post by pm24 on Aug 5, 2012 7:03:03 GMT -5
Hey, I've been in touch with Roost. He is in fact not coming back to the Standard League however he will maintain his keeper league, though probably won't be back on the forum unless I can persuade him otherwise.
As for the Standard League commish job, I hope you guys can understand why i'm not putting my hand up. The keeper league is a big enough beast as it is, and I need to ensure I do spend some time with my family.
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spurs champs
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Post by spurs champs on Aug 5, 2012 8:33:51 GMT -5
He has delete his account from here as well
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