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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 3:24:33 GMT -5
Simple trade, nothing earth shattering.
Roost trades Greivis Vasquez PP trades Ersan Ilyasova
Basically a rebound for assist trade. PP wants more help from his bench in assists, I want more help from my bench in rebounding after dropping Tristan Thompson. Both players are on the rise so this should benefit both teams in the long run if both guys keep getting some burn.
For me, this is a vital trade as I really could do with Ersan's double digit rebound days. PP probably gets more back based on steals and 3's but those are stats I've already got covered and this is a system move. If Ersan keeps up the form, he'll be an important addition to my team and it's scrub big man rotation that works off Josh Smoove.
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Post by pm24 on Feb 12, 2012 6:04:53 GMT -5
I've got some serious doubts about this trade. Vasquez won't have anywhere near the same value in 2 weeks time when Jarrett Jack and Eric Gordon are back and healthy...
This is certainly a sell high move by Roost, but I see Ersan holding value much longer than vasquez. I'll keep thinking about it, but i'm not liking it at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 6:19:23 GMT -5
I've got some serious doubts about this trade. Vasquez won't have anywhere near the same value in 2 weeks time when Jarrett Jack and Eric Gordon are back and healthy... This is certainly a sell high move by Roost, but I see Ersan holding value much longer than vasquez. I'll keep thinking about it, but i'm not liking it at the moment. Gordon is back in two weeks? First I knew of this. I read that within the next 1-2 weeks he'll start some basketball activities, then after that he'll be reevaluated. I can understand your concerns though, however Vas is still going to get run behind Jack. Monty likes him.
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Post by spurs champs on Feb 12, 2012 12:05:55 GMT -5
ill put the veto in on this one. Ersan is easily a top 100 player probably top 75 and on good weeks can be a top 50 player. Vasquesz min will go down once jack and gorden get back. Only thing he will gain in will be ast. I think steals will end up being even and you will gain in everything else. You knew this was a bad trade and that is why you started defending it before anyone even posted the first veto.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 12:20:01 GMT -5
ill put the veto in on this one. Ersan is easily a top 100 player probably top 75 and on good weeks can be a top 50 player. Vasquesz min will go down once jack and gorden get back. Only thing he will gain in will be ast. I think steals will end up being even and you will gain in everything else. You knew this was a bad trade and that is why you started defending it before anyone even posted the first veto.lol I defended it before anyone posted their first "veto" ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) The only time I defended it was AFTER pm24 posted his response to the thread. If you had a brain you'd know that whenever I set up a pending trade thread based on a trade I've made, i always put in a description of what the trade details are and what my motives are based on in regards to the trade (majority of managers do it in this league, pm24 is a prime example in fact). I can accept your wish to veto, you have that right. But don't come in here and try and start another fight spurs, especially when once again, your "opinions" are deluded and incorrect. You've voiced your opinion and veto, now move on. Each manager has the right to veto, though any attempt at a fight is not acceptable.
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Post by spurs champs on Feb 12, 2012 12:30:19 GMT -5
i wasnt trying to start a fight but you dont always voice your opinion. and yes i do count your first post when you posted the trade as defending it. I love how you think you should always get the last word.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 12:32:48 GMT -5
I always voice my opinion. Have done since day 1 here. Its in my nature. I'm an opinionated person. You may consider my original post as "defending the trade", though that was not my intention at the time of the post. It was an explanation of why I went for this trade.
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Post by pp on Feb 12, 2012 16:04:26 GMT -5
Interesting perception of Ersan being a top 100 player lol...He is an 8 and 7 guy and very inconsistent. Im taking the risk of Vasquez as the Jack situation could be worse than predicted. He is a guy who the Hornets will or could look to develop more once the team continues its shitness. I dont think Eric G makes any difference to Vasqeuz's value. Perhaps shaving a couple of points off, the reason Im doing this is for assists though. Rotoworld the other day... "Jack is out for "at least" a week and that was enough for us to call Vasquez a must-own player going forward. At Jack's age there are no guarantees that his knee is okay, and Vasquez fits the profile of the younger player David Stern so badly wanted to develop. We don't trust Monty Williams not to mess it up, but there's too much upside here to pass up." I dont mind the vetoes but it isn't really as bad as you think - surprisingly enough I have thought about the trade. Same situation where there was doubt cast over the Irving for Stoudemire trade...That turned out pretty damn good for me dont you think ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by pm24 on Feb 12, 2012 17:02:06 GMT -5
Though I regularly check in on rotoworld, i don't always trust what they repory because the put every single piece of info they can find. The statement about Jack and his age are nonsense. I can't recall him having knee issues in the past, and he ain't that old is he? Plus a report of him being out at least a week doesn't bother me much as it's the long term value i'm thinking of, and to me ersan has much more of it. I'm going to check some more stuff out before deciding.
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Post by pp on Feb 12, 2012 18:31:26 GMT -5
Well either way, whatever you decide, the fact there is a need to deeply scrutinize the trade in a sense and in my opinion, defeats the purpose of the veto system. Which I would assume, the purpose of is to stop unfair, lopsided trades which could negatively impact both teams on face value and further effect parity in the league.
It clearly cannot be outrageous enough for you to make a straight out judgment.
No trade is dead-set even, they all deal with intangibles, predictive factors and specific team needs. Hence why we make trades in the first place. Hence why I am making this trade.
I am not sure of many other leagues that look to veto 'waiver wire pick up' trades based on what could or may happen. If I am content with taking a risk in a trade between two bench guys as of right now , not sure why others wouldn't be either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 19:35:58 GMT -5
Fantastic reply PP. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by leaguegod on Feb 12, 2012 19:44:21 GMT -5
our league has become better recently with not vetoing trades
this one may favour roost, tho i personally think its pretty even, i think vasquez can hold value and i have doubts about both jack and gordan staying healthy anyways
in any case, even if you think he loses value, there isn't enough talent in this trade to even consider a veto imo
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Post by Canadian Eh on Feb 13, 2012 8:55:32 GMT -5
I'm not one to veto trades, unless it is very lopsided, as I figure every manager has their reason for doing a deal. They both agreed to it so they both must like what they're getting from it. When I first looked at it, I did have the same concerns as others did about Vasquez's value once Jack returned but if PP is willing to take that risk on, then that's on him. I do think Roost gets the better value but I don't think it's enough of a swing to veto. Both players in question are bench/role players and both, if you look at their games, are inconsistent at best when playing in their natural role on the team.
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Post by pp on Feb 13, 2012 23:54:54 GMT -5
" Eric Gordon (knee) is scheduled for another arthroscopic procedure and will be out for another six more weeks. This is great news for the value of Greivis Vasquez and Trevor Ariza, as it all but guarantees their minutes for the rest of the year (assuming Monty Williams doesn't screw things up). It's also a massive indictment of David Stern's NBA, as Stern canceled the Chris Paul to L.A. deal for so-called 'basketball reasons' and has very little to show for the revised deal. Gordon should be dropped in the vast majority of situation"
Food for thought.
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Post by spurs champs on Feb 14, 2012 0:02:09 GMT -5
if that is true then it makes the trade much more fair.
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