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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 21:03:46 GMT -5
Christ the cavs suck, Kyrie is a chucker, and Love, well, as usual, proving that he's not a winner. Defensive liability, offensively very one dimensional.
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Post by malice on Nov 21, 2014 18:13:27 GMT -5
Christ the cavs suck, Kyrie is a chucker, and Love, well, as usual, proving that he's not a winner. Defensive liability, offensively very one dimensional. It'll turn around.
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Post by pp on Nov 22, 2014 12:29:41 GMT -5
The offense will certainly become more consistent, and being in the East it is a given they go deep.
To me the real issue is, and will continue to be, the defence. Their is a lack of personnel on that side of the ball, added that two of their big 3 simply aren't capable of playing it consistently through a game.
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Post by ua on Nov 22, 2014 13:55:50 GMT -5
I get the feeling that the Cavaliers minimum benchmark for success is them reaching the Eastern conference finals. Problem is if they don't improve their record by the end of the season they could be seeing Chicago before the Eastern conference finals, and I don't think they want any part of the bowls this year because I think that's where their season ends. They can't take Irving and love off the floor, and the jury is out on whether they can learn to play elite defense someday, so I'm not really sure what the solution is there. The players are what they are, it's a general manager's problem now.
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 22, 2014 18:25:58 GMT -5
Christ the cavs suck, Kyrie is a chucker, and Love, well, as usual, proving that he's not a winner. Defensive liability, offensively very one dimensional. Why is it whenever Lehype team isnt doing well. It is always the other stars on his team or he doesnt have enough help? He is not as good as everyone thinks he is. You put a good defender on him and he gets locked down and cant do much. the spurs had 3 people that could cover him.
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Post by pp on Nov 22, 2014 18:44:55 GMT -5
errrrr
1. Have you watched the Cavs this season? Kyrie, Love, Waiters have been utter garbage. Lebron has been far from his best, but the reality is that the team isn't meshing, and the biggest problem has been the performance out of those specific guys.
2. Sorry, but close to a load of rubbish about 'put a good defender' on Lebron and he's 'locked down'. Seems like a comment straight out of 2011 at the height of the Lebron hate. Team defense has been the only way to minimise his impact - as shown by the Spurs, Bulls, past Celtics teams and Dallas back in their finals performance. These teams have multiple defenders to send his way AND rotate depending on the in game situations. Can you name one defender who has consistently locked down Lebron 1 - 1? I'm not referring to 'manage' in the Jimmy Butler, Paul Pierce, Shawn Marion sense...Kawhi Leonard is about as close as it gets, and that he couldn't even do without guys like Diaw who switches often to cover Lebron in the post and the Spurs fantastic work team positioning on that end of the floor.
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Post by ua on Nov 22, 2014 19:30:35 GMT -5
Any predictions on this year's champion? Probably no surprise that I'm taking San Antonio to repeat. In my mind I am just about convinced that Chicago will be in the finals, but the West is as always much murkier and I couldn't blame somebody with going with a Darkhorse to come out of the west like Memphis or golden state.
Nice to have Marco belinelli back in the lineup (particularly for my standard team).
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Post by malice on Nov 22, 2014 21:38:51 GMT -5
errrrr 1. Have you watched the Cavs this season? Kyrie, Love, Waiters have been utter garbage. Lebron has been far from his best, but the reality is that the team isn't meshing, and the biggest problem has been the performance out of those specific guys. 2. Sorry, but close to a load of rubbish about 'put a good defender' on Lebron and he's 'locked down'. Seems like a comment straight out of 2011 at the height of the Lebron hate. Team defense has been the only way to minimise his impact - as shown by the Spurs, Bulls, past Celtics teams and Dallas back in their finals performance. These teams have multiple defenders to send his way AND rotate depending on the in game situations. Can you name one defender who has consistently locked down Lebron 1 - 1? I'm not referring to 'manage' in the Jimmy Butler, Paul Pierce, Shawn Marion sense...Kawhi Leonard is about as close as it gets, and that he couldn't even do without guys like Diaw who switches often to cover Lebron in the post and the Spurs fantastic work team positioning on that end of the floor. C'mon man, aren't you doing the same? Isn't it pretty much the same thing - anyone hammering LeBron by doing what everyone else is doing - and getting all Chicken Little over the Cavs performance thus far (another thing everyone's doing)? Remember the first part of the 2010/11 season, when Miami sucked (they were 8-14 before they started to turn it around)? They ended up pretty decent... ![](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/andysnaps/chickenlittle.gif)
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 22, 2014 23:21:13 GMT -5
FG % FT % 3s pts reb ast st blk to
Irving 18 7 38:38 7.1/15.6 .453 5.5/6.3 .870 2.3 21.9 3.5 4.7 1.5 0.2 1.9 Lehype 1 19 38:43 9.0/19.4 .465 5.6/7.3 .775 1.9 25.5 6.4 6.5 1.1 0.8 3.9 Love 9 38 36:16 4.9/12.6 .388 4.1/4.9 .833 2.0 15.9 10.2 2.5 0.7 0.3 1.5
Off of those numbers I would say love is doing the worst and Lebron is not far behind. The big difference is lebron is the person the team was built for. He chose who he wanted on the team (not as much as miami but he still had a say). My point is you could put another good player on the team and I would bet they would do as well. Love and Irving (in my opinion doing better then lebron) are considered second tier (non franchise) all stars like Parker and manu. Lebron on the other hand is consider a franchise player like duncan but he cant lead a team.
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Post by spurs champs on Nov 22, 2014 23:21:57 GMT -5
I hate the fact it wont let you put spaces in there to make the columns line up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 1:11:17 GMT -5
I think the big difference between Miami's big three and Cleveland's is simply the fact that Bosh and Wade provided D, where as Love/Kyrie are atrocious defenders and Varejao isn't far off.
Sure, Miami struggled when they first formed, though Wade was already an NBA champion at this point, and Bosh was already established as a guy that could carry a team (where is Love can statistically look nice, but is a putrid defender.
I do disagree with Spurs as well, this isn't on LeBron. It's not his fault that Kyrie and Waiters are low IQ basketball players who jack up all kinds of nonsense. It's not LeBrons fault that Love is timid and very limited on the offensive end (mostly camps on the perimeter shooting 3's). LeBron has been his usual self, it's the supporting cast full of overrated players that's the issue. That and no D.
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Post by pp on Nov 23, 2014 2:41:14 GMT -5
errrrr 1. Have you watched the Cavs this season? Kyrie, Love, Waiters have been utter garbage. Lebron has been far from his best, but the reality is that the team isn't meshing, and the biggest problem has been the performance out of those specific guys. 2. Sorry, but close to a load of rubbish about 'put a good defender' on Lebron and he's 'locked down'. Seems like a comment straight out of 2011 at the height of the Lebron hate. Team defense has been the only way to minimise his impact - as shown by the Spurs, Bulls, past Celtics teams and Dallas back in their finals performance. These teams have multiple defenders to send his way AND rotate depending on the in game situations. Can you name one defender who has consistently locked down Lebron 1 - 1? I'm not referring to 'manage' in the Jimmy Butler, Paul Pierce, Shawn Marion sense...Kawhi Leonard is about as close as it gets, and that he couldn't even do without guys like Diaw who switches often to cover Lebron in the post and the Spurs fantastic work team positioning on that end of the floor. C'mon man, aren't you doing the same? Isn't it pretty much the same thing - anyone hammering LeBron by doing what everyone else is doing - and getting all Chicken Little over the Cavs performance thus far (another thing everyone's doing)? Remember the first part of the 2010/11 season, when Miami sucked (they were 8-14 before they started to turn it around)? They ended up pretty decent... ![](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/andysnaps/chickenlittle.gif) I don't understand? I don't see anything chicken little - as you put it - there at all. My observations for the best part are correct up to this point, they are a mess so far. right? That is all I was commenting on in reference to what has already been said. See that I duly noted that the offensive cohesion will improve with time - contained in my earlier comment on the team - and I likely expect them to reach the ECF all going plan. It's not 'chicken little' to describe what is happening right now, or raise the possibility that the team is going to continue struggling defensively for a while because of their personnel - something I stated before the season even began. You should know I've been around long enough not to take the reactive tact that many other fans are.
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Post by malice on Nov 23, 2014 3:36:39 GMT -5
I disagree. People were screaming all kinds of rubbish when Miami formed, and they then sucked initially. LeBron/Wade overlap, no center, Bosh is a bad fit, Spoelstra's not a coach... but it worked. New team with guys who have never played together before - new coach. It's going to take more than a few weeks to get it working.
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Post by malice on Nov 23, 2014 3:38:11 GMT -5
C'mon man, aren't you doing the same? Isn't it pretty much the same thing - anyone hammering LeBron by doing what everyone else is doing - and getting all Chicken Little over the Cavs performance thus far (another thing everyone's doing)? Remember the first part of the 2010/11 season, when Miami sucked (they were 8-14 before they started to turn it around)? They ended up pretty decent... ![](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e119/andysnaps/chickenlittle.gif) I don't understand? I don't see anything chicken little - as you put it - there at all. My observations for the best part are correct up to this point, they are a mess so far. right? That is all I was commenting on in reference to what has already been said. See that I duly noted that the offensive cohesion will improve with time - contained in my earlier comment on the team - and I likely expect them to reach the ECF all going plan. It's not 'chicken little' to describe what is happening right now, or raise the possibility that the team is going to continue struggling defensively for a while because of their personnel - something I stated before the season even began. You should know I've been around long enough not to take the reactive tact that many other fans are. You're right - that was an unfair description. I guess I'm more describing the general reaction (not just here), than pointing to you specifically... even tho' that's precisely what I did. Reacting to the general, and used what you said, incorrectly so.
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Post by ardamus on Nov 23, 2014 22:02:51 GMT -5
I do remember that ..someone ( before the season started said that Love would struggle )....man I can't remember who that was.....hummmm...
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